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		<title>By: Iconic Icons?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconic Icons?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few months ago I was reading one of my favorite blogs, Logo Design Love, and in a very short post the author posed the question &#8220;Are Iconic Logos Designed, or Bought?&#8221; [...]</description>
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<p>[...] A few months ago I was reading one of my favorite blogs, Logo Design Love, and in a very short post the author posed the question &#8220;Are Iconic Logos Designed, or Bought?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/iconic-logos-designed-bought/comment-page-2#comment-13001</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 01:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T+O x $ = E &gt; E + PP x Q = ICON

How cool, I&#039;ve just found this site and was having a similar conversation recently with a colleague of mine. I concluded the following.  

For anything to be iconic it must have a certain amount of &quot;exposure&quot; If I designed the worlds greatest logo and I was the only person to see it, it could never be considered iconic. Therefore an iconic logo must have exposure. In our global village money is required to succeed in any venture, therefore the answer is YES, money does buy exposure and that intern can lead to iconic status. 

However great movements can also emerge and when coupled with a great logo design  they can succeed organically and achieve iconic status. This is however quite rare and having money is much more of a guarantee of exposure, so Iconic logos are mostly bought but not always. 

The greatest confusion arises when we mixup Quantity with Quality. Spending time with my 7 year old nephew clearly illustrates how we are programmed to beleive biggest, fastest, tallest.... is best. The primary reason we consider these logos to be iconic is because we rate them not just according to their aesthetic merit but on the level of exposure. When the oil runs out will the graphic designers of tomorrow be saying &quot;What Shell Logo?&quot; 

It is much easier to quantify and qualify which is the biggest company than it is to quantify and qualify which is the best design. Whist there are many agreed criteria for judging the aesthetic merits of one logo against another it ultimately comes down taste and we all know how quickly tastes change. 

Time is the crucial factor here. The greater length of time a logo is in circulation the greater exposure it gets. The key thing is a logo designed for today must meet the needs of tomorrow. An iconic logo design must remain relevant for the same period of time that it is receiving a high level of exposure. Or at least be tweakable, like the shell and coke logos, so the public at large will not see a discernable difference. 

Finally the more people who say a thing is iconic the more it does in perception become iconic, regardless of how qualified a person is to make such a remark and how accurate their remarks are. If everyone says the earth is flat, is it not flat?

T: Time E: Exposure O: Organic Q:Quality  PP: People Perception $ = MANY$$$$$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T+O x $ = E &gt; E + PP x Q = ICON</p>
<p>How cool, I&#8217;ve just found this site and was having a similar conversation recently with a colleague of mine. I concluded the following.  </p>
<p>For anything to be iconic it must have a certain amount of &#8220;exposure&#8221; If I designed the worlds greatest logo and I was the only person to see it, it could never be considered iconic. Therefore an iconic logo must have exposure. In our global village money is required to succeed in any venture, therefore the answer is YES, money does buy exposure and that intern can lead to iconic status. </p>
<p>However great movements can also emerge and when coupled with a great logo design  they can succeed organically and achieve iconic status. This is however quite rare and having money is much more of a guarantee of exposure, so Iconic logos are mostly bought but not always. </p>
<p>The greatest confusion arises when we mixup Quantity with Quality. Spending time with my 7 year old nephew clearly illustrates how we are programmed to beleive biggest, fastest, tallest&#8230;. is best. The primary reason we consider these logos to be iconic is because we rate them not just according to their aesthetic merit but on the level of exposure. When the oil runs out will the graphic designers of tomorrow be saying &#8220;What Shell Logo?&#8221; </p>
<p>It is much easier to quantify and qualify which is the biggest company than it is to quantify and qualify which is the best design. Whist there are many agreed criteria for judging the aesthetic merits of one logo against another it ultimately comes down taste and we all know how quickly tastes change. </p>
<p>Time is the crucial factor here. The greater length of time a logo is in circulation the greater exposure it gets. The key thing is a logo designed for today must meet the needs of tomorrow. An iconic logo design must remain relevant for the same period of time that it is receiving a high level of exposure. Or at least be tweakable, like the shell and coke logos, so the public at large will not see a discernable difference. </p>
<p>Finally the more people who say a thing is iconic the more it does in perception become iconic, regardless of how qualified a person is to make such a remark and how accurate their remarks are. If everyone says the earth is flat, is it not flat?</p>
<p>T: Time E: Exposure O: Organic Q:Quality  PP: People Perception $ = MANY$$$$$</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Paredes</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/iconic-logos-designed-bought/comment-page-2#comment-12435</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Paredes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Iconic logo is no always bought, of course big budgets play an huge role in making a brand iconic but I think we should also give some credit to the design itself. There different ways to become iconic and memorable in positive or negative ways.

A logo can become memorable for its low design quality or for its genius design. A good example would be the London 2012 Olympics Games, a very controversial issue that can give to this terrible logo a place in history.

Another example of how important is the technical level of the logo itself and that not always big budgets do the trick is in the chinese market. Chinese companies have huge budgets behind their brands but their logos are so lame and so terrible designed  that they could never get the level of memorability and iconography of Nike, Apple, CocaCola, etc.

So yes a big budget is important but also a good design is essential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Iconic logo is no always bought, of course big budgets play an huge role in making a brand iconic but I think we should also give some credit to the design itself. There different ways to become iconic and memorable in positive or negative ways.</p>
<p>A logo can become memorable for its low design quality or for its genius design. A good example would be the London 2012 Olympics Games, a very controversial issue that can give to this terrible logo a place in history.</p>
<p>Another example of how important is the technical level of the logo itself and that not always big budgets do the trick is in the chinese market. Chinese companies have huge budgets behind their brands but their logos are so lame and so terrible designed  that they could never get the level of memorability and iconography of Nike, Apple, CocaCola, etc.</p>
<p>So yes a big budget is important but also a good design is essential.</p>
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		<title>By: William Dais</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Dais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly marketing support builds awareness of a corporate mark. That is patently obvious. 

But having a small marketing budget is the best argument for creating a good logotype, since it will have to get the most bang for the buck. 

Can it become &quot;iconic?&quot; I would have said no 10 years ago, but considering the huge influence of the internet, hell yes!

I don&#039;t know how much money Google spends in media other than internet based, but I&#039;d wager it&#039;s a fraction of what Coaca-Cola or Nike spends in mass advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly marketing support builds awareness of a corporate mark. That is patently obvious. </p>
<p>But having a small marketing budget is the best argument for creating a good logotype, since it will have to get the most bang for the buck. </p>
<p>Can it become &#8220;iconic?&#8221; I would have said no 10 years ago, but considering the huge influence of the internet, hell yes!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much money Google spends in media other than internet based, but I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;s a fraction of what Coaca-Cola or Nike spends in mass advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Airey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed that short read, Alana. Thanks for the contribution.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think time plays an important factor. 

Most of the logos mentioned there have all had huge marketing spend (and thus visability) for at least a generation. Nike, Shell, IBM, Macdonalds, Coca-Cola etc.. all have strong logos but its the epic amount of money that gets makes them highly visible and keeps them visible. 

Therefore I would have to say no. You can have a logo that has the potential to be &quot;iconic&quot; but without the money to put it somewhere, and keep it there, that&#039;s all it will ever be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think time plays an important factor. </p>
<p>Most of the logos mentioned there have all had huge marketing spend (and thus visability) for at least a generation. Nike, Shell, IBM, Macdonalds, Coca-Cola etc.. all have strong logos but its the epic amount of money that gets makes them highly visible and keeps them visible. </p>
<p>Therefore I would have to say no. You can have a logo that has the potential to be &#8220;iconic&#8221; but without the money to put it somewhere, and keep it there, that&#8217;s all it will ever be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Cooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Cooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, in the end a logo has to be designed first.

What the logo symbolizes and what drives its popularity (a corporation, a religious entity, a mass movement, a product) would decide whether it getting bought is a factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, in the end a logo has to be designed first.</p>
<p>What the logo symbolizes and what drives its popularity (a corporation, a religious entity, a mass movement, a product) would decide whether it getting bought is a factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Alana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, no one got paid at all for the heart shaped logo. It&#039;s been in circulation dating back to medieval times. There are many theories behind the shape. Some believe it is based loosely on the shape of an actual heart - or the more commonly available cattle heart that would be studied in place of human hearts.
Another theory states it was drawn to slightly resemble the females genitals - not unlike the barely known shape called the vesica (a two sided shape containing two curved lines)
The silphium plant had a seed that resembled the modern heart shape, and it was used as a contraceptive in ancient Egypt. Because the use of the seed was romantic in nature, that shape is thought to have gotten linked to love and romance. It is interesting to note that the hiroglyphic symbol for an actual human heart is actually a fair representation of the anatomy of a human heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, no one got paid at all for the heart shaped logo. It&#8217;s been in circulation dating back to medieval times. There are many theories behind the shape. Some believe it is based loosely on the shape of an actual heart &#8211; or the more commonly available cattle heart that would be studied in place of human hearts.<br />
Another theory states it was drawn to slightly resemble the females genitals &#8211; not unlike the barely known shape called the vesica (a two sided shape containing two curved lines)<br />
The silphium plant had a seed that resembled the modern heart shape, and it was used as a contraceptive in ancient Egypt. Because the use of the seed was romantic in nature, that shape is thought to have gotten linked to love and romance. It is interesting to note that the hiroglyphic symbol for an actual human heart is actually a fair representation of the anatomy of a human heart.</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Airey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an interesting point, Marc. I also wonder who created the shape we all see as the &#039;heart&#039;. If anyone has an idea, please do let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting point, Marc. I also wonder who created the shape we all see as the &#8216;heart&#8217;. If anyone has an idea, please do let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Apple logo iconic already? Used to be when I thought of Apple it had to do with long playing records and the Beatles.

Standing the test of time, and somehow being able to evoke more than just what the product or idea itself is, seems to be indicative of iconic nature.

I hope whoever it was that designed the heart shape got paid handsomely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Apple logo iconic already? Used to be when I thought of Apple it had to do with long playing records and the Beatles.</p>
<p>Standing the test of time, and somehow being able to evoke more than just what the product or idea itself is, seems to be indicative of iconic nature.</p>
<p>I hope whoever it was that designed the heart shape got paid handsomely.</p>
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