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		<title>By: Leban Hyde</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-15263</link>
		<dc:creator>Leban Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew! I&#039;m not sure even where to begin. I can tell you that I believe very strongly in brand and identity design done right--from creative to business. 

Yes, we designers have a bad rep for being arrogant. Some of us have even earned the &quot;right&quot; to be. But that does not excuse the lack of support and respect that we face when thrusted into the business community at large. 

It&#039;s tricky. I have found myself lowering my base price for logo/identity design due to the very same internet companies. Hum bug! But it is the reality of the world we live in (especially state-side).

What we are obligated to do is educate our clients, inform them of the very process that gives birth to a well-designed, accurately portrayed logo. The hours of work and investigation, once explained, will more often than not justify our pricing standards. Companies that are serious about their product and mission will understand that.

If you, as a designer, want to cheapen your portfolio for a $5 quick sale (lunch at McDonald&#039;s)--that&#039;s on your head. If you, as the client, want to purchase a $5 logo in favor of cutting overhead--you get what you pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew! I&#8217;m not sure even where to begin. I can tell you that I believe very strongly in brand and identity design done right&#8211;from creative to business. </p>
<p>Yes, we designers have a bad rep for being arrogant. Some of us have even earned the &#8220;right&#8221; to be. But that does not excuse the lack of support and respect that we face when thrusted into the business community at large. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tricky. I have found myself lowering my base price for logo/identity design due to the very same internet companies. Hum bug! But it is the reality of the world we live in (especially state-side).</p>
<p>What we are obligated to do is educate our clients, inform them of the very process that gives birth to a well-designed, accurately portrayed logo. The hours of work and investigation, once explained, will more often than not justify our pricing standards. Companies that are serious about their product and mission will understand that.</p>
<p>If you, as a designer, want to cheapen your portfolio for a $5 quick sale (lunch at McDonald&#8217;s)&#8211;that&#8217;s on your head. If you, as the client, want to purchase a $5 logo in favor of cutting overhead&#8211;you get what you pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: On pre-packaged logos &#124; Logo Design Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>On pre-packaged logos &#124; Logo Design Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More on stock logos. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jana</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-13050</link>
		<dc:creator>jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 11:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite late in this discussion, but still.

I do believe there is market for these cheap ones, and that market often overlaps with the &quot;bartender made it&quot; one. I have seen respectable companies having logos, websites and business card acquired the &quot;my nephew has a computer and a graphic software&quot; way. I cringe upon seeing the results (am not a graphic designer, but do crafts and have interest in the arts). But - c est la vie i guess. Those companies will not pay for professional designers, also because sometimes the designers can be, face it, pretty arrogant and their work might seem (to the untrained eye) expensive. When the bartender or nephew can produce some word art+cli art thing in half an hour, they just do not see the value in investing in a professional designer. education is best:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite late in this discussion, but still.</p>
<p>I do believe there is market for these cheap ones, and that market often overlaps with the &#8220;bartender made it&#8221; one. I have seen respectable companies having logos, websites and business card acquired the &#8220;my nephew has a computer and a graphic software&#8221; way. I cringe upon seeing the results (am not a graphic designer, but do crafts and have interest in the arts). But &#8211; c est la vie i guess. Those companies will not pay for professional designers, also because sometimes the designers can be, face it, pretty arrogant and their work might seem (to the untrained eye) expensive. When the bartender or nephew can produce some word art+cli art thing in half an hour, they just do not see the value in investing in a professional designer. education is best:)</p>
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		<title>By: Sharing How You Got There // Processed Identity: Sharing How You Got There</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-11194</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharing How You Got There // Processed Identity: Sharing How You Got There</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is clearly a market for stock identity solutions considering the recent news that iStockPhoto will begin selling pre-designed logos alongside other sites like Brandstack. We [...]</description>
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<p>[...] is clearly a market for stock identity solutions considering the recent news that iStockPhoto will begin selling pre-designed logos alongside other sites like Brandstack. We [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dink Dalton</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-11135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dink Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I heard the news of this I just saw my career fly out the door - Thanks for standing up to this unbelievable exploitation of designers everywhere.  What person in their right mind would sale a logo for $5. Thanks Istock for the handout but no thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I heard the news of this I just saw my career fly out the door &#8211; Thanks for standing up to this unbelievable exploitation of designers everywhere.  What person in their right mind would sale a logo for $5. Thanks Istock for the handout but no thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: UDT</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-10630</link>
		<dc:creator>UDT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just started my own graphic design business, and I have no intention of using istock, or any other stock photography or clip art, except that which I create myself. I know this is doing things the hard way, but I will get more appreciation from my work (and hopefully my clients will, too) by putting time and effort into what I do.

Some people do nothing but take photos and sell them as stock images, and that&#039;s fine. But people who upload and download boxed logos are the same type of people who continue this world-wide trend of &#039;something for nothing&#039;. People, You get what you give. 

@Lorenzo:&quot;...no thanks, i have one of my bartenders do it for $50 and they look great”. - yea, I can just see it now: black magic marker freehanded on cheap manilla card stock with the black ink seeping through the back of the sheet.

@Kim Tackett: &quot;I recently had a client tell me “I don’t need a new logo, I bought this perfectly good one for $100.” And btw, it perfectly sucked.
He hired me to do other work, but this doesn’t bode well for our relationship.&quot;

Well, this should be interesting, just as wearing a flip-flop on one foot and a dress shoe on the other would be. His business will have a very eclectic look, because your good work (dress shoe) will look silly standing next to his $100 logo (flip-flop). Design must be unified throughout an entire organization, or that organization will become a disorganization, and fail. Although I don&#039;t know your client, I wonder if they love their business, as their logo choice seems careless. It&#039;s hard to love what we do for clients when some clients don&#039;t love what they do for themselves or what we do for them.

I think everyone should read &quot;Do You Matter? How great design will make people love your company&quot;. In a nutshell, it makes a great argument for the holistic design that should be the hallmark of every company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just started my own graphic design business, and I have no intention of using istock, or any other stock photography or clip art, except that which I create myself. I know this is doing things the hard way, but I will get more appreciation from my work (and hopefully my clients will, too) by putting time and effort into what I do.</p>
<p>Some people do nothing but take photos and sell them as stock images, and that&#8217;s fine. But people who upload and download boxed logos are the same type of people who continue this world-wide trend of &#8216;something for nothing&#8217;. People, You get what you give. </p>
<p>@Lorenzo:&#8221;&#8230;no thanks, i have one of my bartenders do it for $50 and they look great”. &#8211; yea, I can just see it now: black magic marker freehanded on cheap manilla card stock with the black ink seeping through the back of the sheet.</p>
<p>@Kim Tackett: &#8220;I recently had a client tell me “I don’t need a new logo, I bought this perfectly good one for $100.” And btw, it perfectly sucked.<br />
He hired me to do other work, but this doesn’t bode well for our relationship.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, this should be interesting, just as wearing a flip-flop on one foot and a dress shoe on the other would be. His business will have a very eclectic look, because your good work (dress shoe) will look silly standing next to his $100 logo (flip-flop). Design must be unified throughout an entire organization, or that organization will become a disorganization, and fail. Although I don&#8217;t know your client, I wonder if they love their business, as their logo choice seems careless. It&#8217;s hard to love what we do for clients when some clients don&#8217;t love what they do for themselves or what we do for them.</p>
<p>I think everyone should read &#8220;Do You Matter? How great design will make people love your company&#8221;. In a nutshell, it makes a great argument for the holistic design that should be the hallmark of every company.</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-10607</link>
		<dc:creator>David Airey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick thanks to everyone who has continued commenting. I&#039;ve had my attention diverted elsewhere recently, but didn&#039;t want you thinking I&#039;m not reading and enjoying your opinions. Bye for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick thanks to everyone who has continued commenting. I&#8217;ve had my attention diverted elsewhere recently, but didn&#8217;t want you thinking I&#8217;m not reading and enjoying your opinions. Bye for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-10485</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone! Please pardon me, as I am an uneducated tweaker and manipulator... I just ran across this iStock can of worms.    and........ my question is : Will they have a posting of the Logo&#039;s they sell? How will any one know if someone has used their work? Isn&#039;t it alot like throwing a grain of salt into a mountain of sand and trying to locate it?  Copyright or not, isn&#039;t it much like a patent (change a few minor details and it is no longer what was patented) I use to look through iStock images all the time but noticed alot of it was &quot;ideas&quot; that were presented in a variety of ways... needless to say I will never submit to them, nor acquire from them. Originality is PRICELESS... yet often overlooked.  How do we ultimately protect our original work from profiting other peoples pockets?  Please respond as I am sincerely seeking answers. Now I must search the net to see if I would be ripping anyone off on some of the fonts that I use. Most things I get from the net will say personal use only or to give credit to them if used commercially. I use fonts I&#039;ve downloaded for occasional card designs that I sell to individuals to print at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone! Please pardon me, as I am an uneducated tweaker and manipulator&#8230; I just ran across this iStock can of worms.    and&#8230;&#8230;.. my question is : Will they have a posting of the Logo&#8217;s they sell? How will any one know if someone has used their work? Isn&#8217;t it alot like throwing a grain of salt into a mountain of sand and trying to locate it?  Copyright or not, isn&#8217;t it much like a patent (change a few minor details and it is no longer what was patented) I use to look through iStock images all the time but noticed alot of it was &#8220;ideas&#8221; that were presented in a variety of ways&#8230; needless to say I will never submit to them, nor acquire from them. Originality is PRICELESS&#8230; yet often overlooked.  How do we ultimately protect our original work from profiting other peoples pockets?  Please respond as I am sincerely seeking answers. Now I must search the net to see if I would be ripping anyone off on some of the fonts that I use. Most things I get from the net will say personal use only or to give credit to them if used commercially. I use fonts I&#8217;ve downloaded for occasional card designs that I sell to individuals to print at home.</p>
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		<title>By: charlotte salcedo</title>
		<link>http://www.logodesignlove.com/istock-logos/comment-page-2#comment-8475</link>
		<dc:creator>charlotte salcedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its not much $5 but what if they never sell your logo? I could create 100&#039;s of logos in minutes, however I agree with the others on here as well~ you have to be open minded in the design industry.

I feel this would be a good oppurtunity for a less experienced designer to gain exposure. I dont think the pros should participate in this, not for 5 dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its not much $5 but what if they never sell your logo? I could create 100&#8242;s of logos in minutes, however I agree with the others on here as well~ you have to be open minded in the design industry.</p>
<p>I feel this would be a good oppurtunity for a less experienced designer to gain exposure. I dont think the pros should participate in this, not for 5 dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: iStock offers logos and the design world doesn&#8217;t implode? &#171; Zeroside</title>
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		<dc:creator>iStock offers logos and the design world doesn&#8217;t implode? &#171; Zeroside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “stock logos” for sale on their site. Much digital ink has been spilled in outrage, disgust, indifference and excitement. But what does this really mean for the design industry and the creative marketplace [...]</description>
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<p>[...] “stock logos” for sale on their site. Much digital ink has been spilled in outrage, disgust, indifference and excitement. But what does this really mean for the design industry and the creative marketplace [...]</p>
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